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Subject: RE: Updated Invisible Share Mini-Functional Spec
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:36:51 -0800
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From: "Joshua Goldenhar" <joshua.goldenhar@onstor.com>
To: "Ron Bhanukitsiri" <ronb@onstor.com>,
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I like the write up but have a question about the decision to not allow
an invisible hidden share.
Why?

You state it's an oxymoron scenario yet I don't think it is.
"Hidden share" functionality is defined/enforced by the client.
"Invisible Share" is defined/enforced by the Filer (and hence by
extension, the administrator).

In other words, you could have an invisible, hidden share.

I give you this scenario:
An admin has wanted to have some shares be non-browseable so they
utilized the only option available, naming a share "foo$".

Some folks have clients that let them see these shares while browsing,
like some Linux clients, etc.
Now we offer this feature which is really what the admin wanted in the
first place. But because you are not allowing the "foo$" share to be set
to invisible, the admin is forced to rename the shares if they want this
functionality.

My point is, since invisible shares are being enforced by the server and
are a function that is outside of CIFS specs, why limit this
functionality? Shares that end in '$' are just valid share names... It
also reduces test matrix and code complexity.

-Josh

Josh Goldenhar
Phone: 408 963 2408, Cell: 408 547 7693

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From: Ron Bhanukitsiri=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:52 PM
To: dl-Design Review
Cc: Ron Bhanukitsiri
Subject: Updated Invisible Share Mini-Functional Spec

Here's an updated version of the spec.  Please note the feature is now
called
"invisible share" to be more conformant with the PVR and also to avoid
confusion with the hidden share terminology which is a Microsoft
feature.
\\mightydog\software\CIFS\Invisible Share FuncSpec.doc

Also the CLI option has obviously changed as well.

Ron B[ee]


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<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I like the write up but have a =
question</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">about</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">the decision to not allow an invisible hidden =
share.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Why?</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">You s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
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it</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">s an ox</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ymoron scenario yet</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> think it is.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8220;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hidden share</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8221;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> functionality is defined/enforced by the =
client.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8220;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Invisible Share</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8221;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> is defined/enforced by the Filer (and hence by =
extension, the adm</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">inistrator).</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">In other words, you could have an =
invisible,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">hidden</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
share.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">I give you this scenario:</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">An admin has wanted to have some shares be =
non-brows</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">e</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">able so =
they utilized the only option</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">available</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">naming</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> a =
share</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8220;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">foo$</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8221;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Some folks have clients that let them see these shares =
while browsing, like some Linux clients, etc.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Now we offer this feature =
which is really what the admin wanted in the first place. But because =
you are not allowing the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8220;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">foo$</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8221;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> share to =
be set to invisible, the admin is forced to rename</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">the shares if they want this =
functionality.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">My point is, since invisible shares are being enforced by =
the server and are a function that is outside of CIFS specs, why limit =
this functionality?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">S</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">hares</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> that end =
in</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8216;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">$</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> are just =
valid share names</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8230;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> It also =
reduces test matrix and code complexity.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A NAME=3D""><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">-Josh</FONT></SPAN></A></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Josh Goldenhar</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Phone: 408 963 2408, Cell: 408 547 =
7693</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma">_____________________________________________<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma">From:</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Tahoma"> Ron Bhanukitsiri<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma">Sent:</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Tahoma"> Tuesday, November 20, =
2007 9:52 PM<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma">To:</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Tahoma"> dl-Design Review<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma">Cc:</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Tahoma"> Ron Bhanukitsiri<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma">Subject:</FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Tahoma"> Updated Invisible Share Mini-Functional =
Spec</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Here&#8217;s an updated version of the =
spec.&nbsp; Please note the feature is now called</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8220;invisible share&#8221; to be more conformant with =
the PVR and also to avoid</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">confusion with the hidden share terminology which is a =
Microsoft feature.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"file://\\mightydog\software\CIFS\Invisible Share =
FuncSpec.doc"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">\\mightydog\software\CIFS\Invisible Share =
FuncSpec.doc</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Also the =
CLI option has obviously changed as well.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Ron =
B[ee]</FONT></SPAN></P>

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